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Democracy in action. Hah! 
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If Napolean hadn't sold Jefferson Louisiana, Mexico would be twice its current size and all you would have had would be not much more than the original colonies, so at some point it might have seemed a good idea. But perhaps not. Shame the locals didn't have a whip round and get in there first.

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Zen Dog wrote:
If Napolean hadn't sold Jefferson Louisiana, Mexico would be twice its current size and all you would have had would be not much more than the original colonies, so at some point it might have seemed a good idea. But perhaps not. Shame the locals didn't have a whip round and get in there first.



LOL!

We started out with 13 colonies (1776), but ... By that time (1803)
there were European settlers living in the Mid West.
(Ohio, Indiana, Illinois -1818 statehood-, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota)

And there were 17 States by then, all the way down to Mississippi and Georgia.
And land that was already US territory (so in reality the equivalent of 24 states).

So the Eastern and Mid-Western 1/3 of the continent was US-ish.

The SouthWestern 1/3 of the continent belonged to Spain,
as "New Spain" which was technically what we know as Mexico now.

And Texas' statehood was in 1845.


Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:45 pm
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Mexico was an independent country from 1821 in the same way the US was an independent country from 1776. From a moral perspective, I think that Mexicans have as much right to cross the border and live in American territory as Americans had to cross the border and live in Mexican territory. I don't know much about Donald Trump (Now there's a name. Over here Trump means Fart colloquiealy locally, you know what I mean) but I think he is arrogant. And that is putting it politely.

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Zen Dog wrote:
Mexico was an independent country from 1821 in the same way the US was an independent country from 1776. From a moral perspective, I think that Mexicans have as much right to cross the border and live in American territory as Americans had to cross the border and live in Mexican territory. I don't know much about Donald Trump (Now there's a name. Over here Trump means Fart colloquiealy locally, you know what I mean) but I think he is arrogant. And that is putting it politely.



LOL!
Too funny on the trump thing! Ouch!

I agree with you regarding the whole Mexico thing,
but Spaniards did to Native Americans (in what is now Mexico) exactly what the Northern Europeans did to the Native Americans in this part of the continent.
Tricked them, and took the land away.

Mexicans do not like Spaniards, because of their catastrophic history!


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Happy 4th of July! I pray that next year we still have a nation.

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Hermano Luis wrote:
Happy 4th of July! I pray that next year we still have a nation.


My prayers are with yours, Hermano Luis!

Everything is a mess everywhere!

Puerto Rico, the US, and even the UK and the EU are going thru turmoils right now!


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Really? I hadn't noticed.

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Wow!
I saw that you all have a new Prime Minister!

I saw her being "sworn in" as we say over here.
You are WAY
ahead of us, with "allowing" women to be "commander in chief".
We have yet to move into the 21st century!

I found her speech powerful, and I know that many here are not going to like it.


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Yep. Theresa May is number 2. Let's hope she does a better job than Thatcher who was very divisive. When I heard her talking outside number 10 (the Prime Ministers official residence) she sounded to me like an old fashioned Conservative the likes of which we haven't seen since before the war. Time will tell. An early recruit to her cabinet was Boris Johnson as Foreign Minister. I immediately thought, "Wonderful choice for a distraction, watch what her hands are doing".

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One of my granddaughters asked me why I thought that the exit vote was so heavily weighted by the wrinkly vote. I told her it was because we are old enough to remember what we originally voted for, and it definitely isn't what we've got now.

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